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Oral history transcript, Samuel H. Shapiro, interview 1 (I), 3/19/1971, by Joe B. Frantz (Item)

knew he was being considered. F: Yes. S: And, I think, in conversations with him, no doubt, that was men- tioned, but as a matter of fact, the appointment came by phone. He was notified by phone; day. \'Je were at a meeting at Springfield

Oral history transcript, Whitney M. Young, Jr., interview 1 (I), 6/18/1969, by T.H. Baker (Item)

used? Y: No, not--well, you know, President Johnson was a very unusual fellow in a conversation. You'd go in with a specific item for the agenda but, depending on his most recent encounter or telephone call or something, you'd find yourself sort